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		<title>By: CandidGamera</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2008/01/candid-gamera/comment-page-1#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>CandidGamera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I haven&#039;t used that title to talk about Cloverfield, but I suppose I don&#039;t mind my online nickname being appropriated for a humorous title. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t used that title to talk about Cloverfield, but I suppose I don&#8217;t mind my online nickname being appropriated for a humorous title. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best post title ever.</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I think the Lovecraft influence is most definitely there &#8212; they&#039;ve got a massive tentacle taking out the Brooklyn Bridge, after all. But I think it&#039;s not direct, but indirectly filtered through the last 70 years of pop culture.

For one thing, the filmmakers have said explicitly that they were making their own version of a 50s monster movie. But one of the things I like so much about &lt;i&gt;Cloverfield&lt;/i&gt; is that it&#039;s not just a remake or an update or a &quot;re-imagining,&quot; but that they were going for the FEEL of those movies. As told by people who&#039;d SEEN those movies and everything that&#039;s happened in the years since.

But those movies themselves were influenced by Lovecraft to some degree &#8212; which is how I think &lt;i&gt;Cloverfield&lt;/i&gt; gets all the good bits of post-modernism without being all ironic and self-important. As you already said, Lovecraft&#039;s stories were all about unspeakably horrible things that were OUT THERE and we were powerless to defeat them or even LOOK at them for too long. Monster movies took that aspect, and then filtered that through the optimism of the 50s &#8212; you get all the excitement and danger of the horrible monster, plus the promise that technology is going to find some way to beat it.

&lt;i&gt;Cloverfield&lt;/i&gt; has all those elements of the 50s monster movies: you&#039;ve got a bland protagonist and love interest, not exactly likeable but not unlikeable, either. You&#039;ve got the monster stomping on buildings. You&#039;ve got the military&#039;s ineffective initial response. And then they add elements of the later zombie movies, and the whole paranoia about the government and the suspicion that they know more than they&#039;re letting on (&quot;She&#039;s been bitten!&quot;).

You&#039;re totally right that the way it&#039;s told (as a &quot;found document&quot;) feels like a Lovecraft story, but I think the psychology is completely different. It&#039;s more a semi-jaded, self-absorbed 2000s take on it than anything else. When they&#039;re describing the monster, they casually say something like &quot;It&#039;s something terrible&quot; and then &quot;Also terrible.&quot; They don&#039;t think in terms of a Lovecraft story, that sense of &quot;what does this mean in terms of our existence in the black void?&quot; but &quot;This sucks, how do I get to my girlfriend?&quot;

And the ending might SEEM nihilistic and hopeless as a Lovecraft story, but I thought it was as &quot;nice&quot; as the cynicism of 2007 will let you get away with without screaming &quot;cop-out!!!&quot; It&#039;s our equivalent of the two leads hugging each other as they look out on the burned out husk of the monster, contemplating where it could have come from. They found each other! And the last shots aren&#039;t of her crying &quot;why is this happening?!?&quot; (which would be the last line of the Lovecraft story), but of her saying, &quot;I had a good day.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think the Lovecraft influence is most definitely there &mdash; they&#8217;ve got a massive tentacle taking out the Brooklyn Bridge, after all. But I think it&#8217;s not direct, but indirectly filtered through the last 70 years of pop culture.</p>
<p>For one thing, the filmmakers have said explicitly that they were making their own version of a 50s monster movie. But one of the things I like so much about <i>Cloverfield</i> is that it&#8217;s not just a remake or an update or a &#8220;re-imagining,&#8221; but that they were going for the FEEL of those movies. As told by people who&#8217;d SEEN those movies and everything that&#8217;s happened in the years since.</p>
<p>But those movies themselves were influenced by Lovecraft to some degree &mdash; which is how I think <i>Cloverfield</i> gets all the good bits of post-modernism without being all ironic and self-important. As you already said, Lovecraft&#8217;s stories were all about unspeakably horrible things that were OUT THERE and we were powerless to defeat them or even LOOK at them for too long. Monster movies took that aspect, and then filtered that through the optimism of the 50s &mdash; you get all the excitement and danger of the horrible monster, plus the promise that technology is going to find some way to beat it.</p>
<p><i>Cloverfield</i> has all those elements of the 50s monster movies: you&#8217;ve got a bland protagonist and love interest, not exactly likeable but not unlikeable, either. You&#8217;ve got the monster stomping on buildings. You&#8217;ve got the military&#8217;s ineffective initial response. And then they add elements of the later zombie movies, and the whole paranoia about the government and the suspicion that they know more than they&#8217;re letting on (&#8220;She&#8217;s been bitten!&#8221;).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re totally right that the way it&#8217;s told (as a &#8220;found document&#8221;) feels like a Lovecraft story, but I think the psychology is completely different. It&#8217;s more a semi-jaded, self-absorbed 2000s take on it than anything else. When they&#8217;re describing the monster, they casually say something like &#8220;It&#8217;s something terrible&#8221; and then &#8220;Also terrible.&#8221; They don&#8217;t think in terms of a Lovecraft story, that sense of &#8220;what does this mean in terms of our existence in the black void?&#8221; but &#8220;This sucks, how do I get to my girlfriend?&#8221;</p>
<p>And the ending might SEEM nihilistic and hopeless as a Lovecraft story, but I thought it was as &#8220;nice&#8221; as the cynicism of 2007 will let you get away with without screaming &#8220;cop-out!!!&#8221; It&#8217;s our equivalent of the two leads hugging each other as they look out on the burned out husk of the monster, contemplating where it could have come from. They found each other! And the last shots aren&#8217;t of her crying &#8220;why is this happening?!?&#8221; (which would be the last line of the Lovecraft story), but of her saying, &#8220;I had a good day.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that post definitely went nowhere, re-reading it (sorry about that), but it was all that was going through my head when watching the movie, and I needed to barf it out somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that post definitely went nowhere, re-reading it (sorry about that), but it was all that was going through my head when watching the movie, and I needed to barf it out somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s tons of talk about how Cloverfield is a return to 50s/60s monster movies, and that&#039;s fair and good, but I think a more accurate (if equally played out) analogy would be HP Lovecraft&#039;s short stories. There are enough parallels in presentation and structure between those old stories and Cloverfield that if Lovecraft was alive he would probably be suing (or collecting royalties). The classic monster movies of the 50s/60s almost always somehow managed to wedge in some scientists or government agents who could let you know what was happening, possibly study the monster and figure out its Achilles&#039; heel, phone the boys in Washington, or whatever. Even the ones which never cut away from the stories of a select few people generally try to explain something about what&#039;s going on. Cloverfield was just a story of some guys who encounter some crazy wholly unexplained, exaggeratedly-out-of-context (and preferably tentacley) creature, which just boggles their mind and makes them run away wildly, and then ends. That&#039;s basically any Lovecraft story, which only start to have some sort of cohesive explanation after a sizable handful of them, leaning on the later stories, are read. Lovecraft stories&#039; tendencies to add credibility to the world by including mentions or excerpts from science journals, alluding to vague past events which received &quot;moderate coverage&quot; in regional newspapers, etc, are nearly mirrored in the blips of media coverage we flash by in Cloverfield, and the &quot;this is the modern way of documenting things and making people believe they&#039;re credible&quot; vibe is sort of slapped in your face with all the shots of people using their cell phones and digital cameras to snap shots of everything and each other throughout the first act. Also, Lovecraft short stories are nearly always presented as artifacts - an excerpt from someone&#039;s personal journal, a collection of letters written to an associate, transcriptions read to someone as a last ditch effort to get the story out.

I&#039;m not going anywhere in particular with this... and as mentioned earlier, Lovecraft is pretty super-saturated, especially on the Internet, but the parallels between Cloverfield and Lovecraft&#039;s short stories were so strong when I was watching the movie that it was kind of ridiculous. I hope (and generally assume) it was deliberate, as the tone and structure of the story, and even more specific stuff like the nature and (lack of) origin of the monster seem to have come straight off the page as much as (if more than) off the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s tons of talk about how Cloverfield is a return to 50s/60s monster movies, and that&#8217;s fair and good, but I think a more accurate (if equally played out) analogy would be HP Lovecraft&#8217;s short stories. There are enough parallels in presentation and structure between those old stories and Cloverfield that if Lovecraft was alive he would probably be suing (or collecting royalties). The classic monster movies of the 50s/60s almost always somehow managed to wedge in some scientists or government agents who could let you know what was happening, possibly study the monster and figure out its Achilles&#8217; heel, phone the boys in Washington, or whatever. Even the ones which never cut away from the stories of a select few people generally try to explain something about what&#8217;s going on. Cloverfield was just a story of some guys who encounter some crazy wholly unexplained, exaggeratedly-out-of-context (and preferably tentacley) creature, which just boggles their mind and makes them run away wildly, and then ends. That&#8217;s basically any Lovecraft story, which only start to have some sort of cohesive explanation after a sizable handful of them, leaning on the later stories, are read. Lovecraft stories&#8217; tendencies to add credibility to the world by including mentions or excerpts from science journals, alluding to vague past events which received &#8220;moderate coverage&#8221; in regional newspapers, etc, are nearly mirrored in the blips of media coverage we flash by in Cloverfield, and the &#8220;this is the modern way of documenting things and making people believe they&#8217;re credible&#8221; vibe is sort of slapped in your face with all the shots of people using their cell phones and digital cameras to snap shots of everything and each other throughout the first act. Also, Lovecraft short stories are nearly always presented as artifacts &#8211; an excerpt from someone&#8217;s personal journal, a collection of letters written to an associate, transcriptions read to someone as a last ditch effort to get the story out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going anywhere in particular with this&#8230; and as mentioned earlier, Lovecraft is pretty super-saturated, especially on the Internet, but the parallels between Cloverfield and Lovecraft&#8217;s short stories were so strong when I was watching the movie that it was kind of ridiculous. I hope (and generally assume) it was deliberate, as the tone and structure of the story, and even more specific stuff like the nature and (lack of) origin of the monster seem to have come straight off the page as much as (if more than) off the screen.</p>
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