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		<title>By: DRP</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11863</link>
		<dc:creator>DRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Carnivale:  Believe me when I tell you we haven't spoiled a damn thing.  It's a mighty fine show, and since it's HBO there are only 22 or 23 eps total.  Get ta watchin'!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Carnivale:  Believe me when I tell you we haven&#8217;t spoiled a damn thing.  It&#8217;s a mighty fine show, and since it&#8217;s HBO there are only 22 or 23 eps total.  Get ta watchin&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth, I think the biggest reason they showed what they did at the end of the finale was to loudly point and wave around the fact that "yes, we do finally have an ending, because see, we're showing you part of it *right now* even though it's only *season three of six!*"

Also, if you don't find the speculating enjoyable, and prefer to sit pointing at your TV week after week declaring how dumb it is or something, I think the matter of who is lamer is debateable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think the biggest reason they showed what they did at the end of the finale was to loudly point and wave around the fact that &#8220;yes, we do finally have an ending, because see, we&#8217;re showing you part of it *right now* even though it&#8217;s only *season three of six!*&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, if you don&#8217;t find the speculating enjoyable, and prefer to sit pointing at your TV week after week declaring how dumb it is or something, I think the matter of who is lamer is debateable.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11835</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 01:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They know what they're doing by now, even if they didn't before. All the complaints about their having no direction finally got them to do something about it, so they're trying to focus. I'd guarantee you that they've got an end story in mind now, and probably have the remaining seasons at least 50% mapped out.

They didn't when they started, though, is the problem. They figured they'd just let it run and develop organically, like when authors talk about how "the characters start to tell you their story." Which means that it rambled, and they introduced a ton of stuff to be cryptic that they didn't have any intention of paying off.

The resolution they're going to eventually deliver isn't going to be as earth-shattering as they'd led people to believe, but there is going to be a resolution. And, most likely, still a lot of rambling and misdirection on the way to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They know what they&#8217;re doing by now, even if they didn&#8217;t before. All the complaints about their having no direction finally got them to do something about it, so they&#8217;re trying to focus. I&#8217;d guarantee you that they&#8217;ve got an end story in mind now, and probably have the remaining seasons at least 50% mapped out.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t when they started, though, is the problem. They figured they&#8217;d just let it run and develop organically, like when authors talk about how &#8220;the characters start to tell you their story.&#8221; Which means that it rambled, and they introduced a ton of stuff to be cryptic that they didn&#8217;t have any intention of paying off.</p>
<p>The resolution they&#8217;re going to eventually deliver isn&#8217;t going to be as earth-shattering as they&#8217;d led people to believe, but there is going to be a resolution. And, most likely, still a lot of rambling and misdirection on the way to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: HieroHero</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11834</link>
		<dc:creator>HieroHero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet the writers dont even know.. I feel sorry for all the people who speculate on Lost.. like the hours that went into working out what the numbers meant.. they meant nothing! wow what a revelation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the writers dont even know.. I feel sorry for all the people who speculate on Lost.. like the hours that went into working out what the numbers meant.. they meant nothing! wow what a revelation</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11829</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, thanks for ruining "Carnival" for me, people. At least that saves me some time, I suppose.

Jacob not being a real person is the best thing that could happen, but I'm just trying to fit a J person into the coffin. And the other alternatives would be even worse than having Jacob turn out to be a real dude. I guess it could've been Sawyer or Locke under an assumed name, or for that matter, any of the male castaways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, thanks for ruining &#8220;Carnival&#8221; for me, people. At least that saves me some time, I suppose.</p>
<p>Jacob not being a real person is the best thing that could happen, but I&#8217;m just trying to fit a J person into the coffin. And the other alternatives would be even worse than having Jacob turn out to be a real dude. I guess it could&#8217;ve been Sawyer or Locke under an assumed name, or for that matter, any of the male castaways.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11828</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should've pointed out that when I watched it on Wednesday, I was without TiVo and watching it on a hotel TV, and I didn't know that it was 2 hours long, so I only saw the second half. But I figured everything interesting happened in the second half, and I was already spoiled for the first, so it was just the same.

But I just got back home and watched the whole episode, and this time, it was at least a dozen kinds of awesome. The stuff that seemed perfunctory turned out to be paced well, the parts where they just seemed to be cramming all the plot resolutions they could manage turned out to be given plenty of set-up. And all the character moments happened in the first half. Even when you know what's going to happen, it's just damn good TV. You just have to watch all of it.

I still think that Charlie's suicide was unnecessary; there are plenty of ways they could've gotten him out. I'm not buying the "it was necessary for his character arc" BS the producers are giving out. Still, I'm not complaining, because he'd gotten to be a useless character.

And also: I hate sounding like a HDTV snob, but I've got to say that watching it on a big screen made all the difference. The cinematography on this show is usually good, but in this episode it was just awesome. It really made the whole "epic exodus" thing work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should&#8217;ve pointed out that when I watched it on Wednesday, I was without TiVo and watching it on a hotel TV, and I didn&#8217;t know that it was 2 hours long, so I only saw the second half. But I figured everything interesting happened in the second half, and I was already spoiled for the first, so it was just the same.</p>
<p>But I just got back home and watched the whole episode, and this time, it was at least a dozen kinds of awesome. The stuff that seemed perfunctory turned out to be paced well, the parts where they just seemed to be cramming all the plot resolutions they could manage turned out to be given plenty of set-up. And all the character moments happened in the first half. Even when you know what&#8217;s going to happen, it&#8217;s just damn good TV. You just have to watch all of it.</p>
<p>I still think that Charlie&#8217;s suicide was unnecessary; there are plenty of ways they could&#8217;ve gotten him out. I&#8217;m not buying the &#8220;it was necessary for his character arc&#8221; BS the producers are giving out. Still, I&#8217;m not complaining, because he&#8217;d gotten to be a useless character.</p>
<p>And also: I hate sounding like a HDTV snob, but I&#8217;ve got to say that watching it on a big screen made all the difference. The cinematography on this show is usually good, but in this episode it was just awesome. It really made the whole &#8220;epic exodus&#8221; thing work.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11827</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did see season 2, but I guess I'm just not remembering it correctly. Wasn't he at one time a real person, but had turned into some kind of spiritual force? 

In any case, I think that's what Jacob is. He once was real, but the island, or something, turned him into something more. Whatever he is, I just don't see him as some dude who will eventually end up dead in some shitty L.A. loft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did see season 2, but I guess I&#8217;m just not remembering it correctly. Wasn&#8217;t he at one time a real person, but had turned into some kind of spiritual force? </p>
<p>In any case, I think that&#8217;s what Jacob is. He once was real, but the island, or something, turned him into something more. Whatever he is, I just don&#8217;t see him as some dude who will eventually end up dead in some shitty L.A. loft.</p>
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		<title>By: DRP</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11802</link>
		<dc:creator>DRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, "Management" was actually a real person.  I hate to spoil it for you if you didn't see season two, but there ya go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, &#8220;Management&#8221; was actually a real person.  I hate to spoil it for you if you didn&#8217;t see season two, but there ya go.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11801</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it's Jacob in that coffin, only because I don't think Jacob is anything resembling a real live person. I think he's some kind of weird spiritual force, kinda like "Management" in that HBO show "Carnival"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s Jacob in that coffin, only because I don&#8217;t think Jacob is anything resembling a real live person. I think he&#8217;s some kind of weird spiritual force, kinda like &#8220;Management&#8221; in that HBO show &#8220;Carnival&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HieroHero</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/05/spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-11800</link>
		<dc:creator>HieroHero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I reach the end of the Internet I come here haha.. Well I watched the season finale of Lost having jumped off about episode 3 of this season when I realised it was going nowhere. The finale gave me no reason to watch next season. It was pretty much the same old cuse and lindelof dribble. Hey they killed another character they couldn't write, no surprise there. I bet dom, wishes david fury was still writing him episodes like the moth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I reach the end of the Internet I come here haha.. Well I watched the season finale of Lost having jumped off about episode 3 of this season when I realised it was going nowhere. The finale gave me no reason to watch next season. It was pretty much the same old cuse and lindelof dribble. Hey they killed another character they couldn&#8217;t write, no surprise there. I bet dom, wishes david fury was still writing him episodes like the moth.</p>
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