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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-7035</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the test that proved Boomer was a Cylon, although he lied to her and told her she wasn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the test that proved Boomer was a Cylon, although he lied to her and told her she wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-7032</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That must be from one of the many episodes from early in the run that I missed. I'm planning on passing the time between now and 2008 getting caught up on the series on DVD.

How early was that? Because in the miniseries, he came up with a "test," but it was just to save his own ass because of the Cylon device left on the bridge. That one he completely made up, but just happened to end up catching the Kevin Spacey-looking Cylon by accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That must be from one of the many episodes from early in the run that I missed. I&#8217;m planning on passing the time between now and 2008 getting caught up on the series on DVD.</p>
<p>How early was that? Because in the miniseries, he came up with a &#8220;test,&#8221; but it was just to save his own ass because of the Cylon device left on the bridge. That one he completely made up, but just happened to end up catching the Kevin Spacey-looking Cylon by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn't Chief take and pass Baltar's "I'm not a Cylon" test in season 1... or did I imagine that? He was freaking out about whether or not he was a Cylon for a while early on, but I can't remember for sure if he laid it to rest by taking Baltar's test.

Not that anyone remembers that Baltar made that test procedure -- let alone that it did actually work properly -- at this point, so it's moot even if I did remember correctly, but hey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Chief take and pass Baltar&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m not a Cylon&#8221; test in season 1&#8230; or did I imagine that? He was freaking out about whether or not he was a Cylon for a while early on, but I can&#8217;t remember for sure if he laid it to rest by taking Baltar&#8217;s test.</p>
<p>Not that anyone remembers that Baltar made that test procedure &#8212; let alone that it did actually work properly &#8212; at this point, so it&#8217;s moot even if I did remember correctly, but hey.</p>
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		<title>By: hierohero</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>hierohero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't buy the chief as a cylon.. he was the best human character on that show..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t buy the chief as a cylon.. he was the best human character on that show..</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6302</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, even if it doesn't always pan out, the potential of episodic stories is still just too great. You hear the actors and producers/writers of BSG talking about it a lot; they're surprised to see where the characters go, and they can't wait to see what happens. I'd bet that being in the third year of a story where you already know everything that's going to happen, would be kind of soul-crushing.

I'd definitely like to see more stuff (maybe just miniseries, though) where the creators know exactly what the storyline is going to be from the start, and the network execs just get the hell out of the way and let them tell it. That'd be good to see, whether or not it's a new story or based on something already out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, even if it doesn&#8217;t always pan out, the potential of episodic stories is still just too great. You hear the actors and producers/writers of BSG talking about it a lot; they&#8217;re surprised to see where the characters go, and they can&#8217;t wait to see what happens. I&#8217;d bet that being in the third year of a story where you already know everything that&#8217;s going to happen, would be kind of soul-crushing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitely like to see more stuff (maybe just miniseries, though) where the creators know exactly what the storyline is going to be from the start, and the network execs just get the hell out of the way and let them tell it. That&#8217;d be good to see, whether or not it&#8217;s a new story or based on something already out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6263</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by pre-existing material, I mean something besides British TV shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by pre-existing material, I mean something besides British TV shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6262</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stand was made into a miniseries. A really, really awful miniseries. My point is it's a much bigger story than can be told in four nights of condensed storytelling. It's tailormade for a TV series. I just wonder why more TV shows aren't based on pre-existing material...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stand was made into a miniseries. A really, really awful miniseries. My point is it&#8217;s a much bigger story than can be told in four nights of condensed storytelling. It&#8217;s tailormade for a TV series. I just wonder why more TV shows aren&#8217;t based on pre-existing material&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought The Stand was already made into a mini-series.

As for the continuity; I can't remember if it was in an interview or a podcast, or I just made it up, but I thought Ron Moore came right out and said they decided to make the 4 Cylons early this season.

But I &lt;em&gt;don't&lt;/em&gt; think that it's a cop out that there are no clues leading up to it, in this case. Because they &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; had clues that there's something funamentally different about the Final Five all along, or at least ever since they said there was a Final Five. So they can point out that these guys not only have a different physiology or whatever, but they also have an entire different reason for being.

On this one, I'm not so impressed with the reveal as I am with all the potential they have for cool stories next season. I'd only be pissed at the lack of continuity if it looked like they pulled it out of their ass AND it was just done for shock value, without any clear direction in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought The Stand was already made into a mini-series.</p>
<p>As for the continuity; I can&#8217;t remember if it was in an interview or a podcast, or I just made it up, but I thought Ron Moore came right out and said they decided to make the 4 Cylons early this season.</p>
<p>But I <em>don&#8217;t</em> think that it&#8217;s a cop out that there are no clues leading up to it, in this case. Because they <em>have</em> had clues that there&#8217;s something funamentally different about the Final Five all along, or at least ever since they said there was a Final Five. So they can point out that these guys not only have a different physiology or whatever, but they also have an entire different reason for being.</p>
<p>On this one, I&#8217;m not so impressed with the reveal as I am with all the potential they have for cool stories next season. I&#8217;d only be pissed at the lack of continuity if it looked like they pulled it out of their ass AND it was just done for shock value, without any clear direction in sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6247</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 03:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, while I was awed by the reveal, it still kind of feels like a rabbit out of a hat trick in that I don't think if you go back and rewatch the first two seasons you'll see any kind of allusions of clues that the four cylons were cylons all along, and that lack of the kind of continuity--which to me means they only recently came up with the idea of making those four characters cylons--well, it bugs me. I realize in the world of TV writing that it's kind of the nature of the beast what with ratings and renewels, but still. 

Which is why I'd like there to be a tv show, perhaps based on a a huge book or a comic book with a set storyline that didn't need to be made up as it went along. The series would have a finite end--say, three seasons--and there wouldn't  be a need to wing it. If the show's a hit, cool. It will make it to the end of season three. If it's not, oh well. Guess you'll never get to see how it all turns out. My ideal scenario for something like that would be a series based on Stephen King's "The Stand" (my fave King book). To do it right, stay faithful to the book, and have a definite timeframe where you tell the entire story. (I actually read rumors that "The Stand" might be turned into a series, so my hope is high.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, while I was awed by the reveal, it still kind of feels like a rabbit out of a hat trick in that I don&#8217;t think if you go back and rewatch the first two seasons you&#8217;ll see any kind of allusions of clues that the four cylons were cylons all along, and that lack of the kind of continuity&#8211;which to me means they only recently came up with the idea of making those four characters cylons&#8211;well, it bugs me. I realize in the world of TV writing that it&#8217;s kind of the nature of the beast what with ratings and renewels, but still. </p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;d like there to be a tv show, perhaps based on a a huge book or a comic book with a set storyline that didn&#8217;t need to be made up as it went along. The series would have a finite end&#8211;say, three seasons&#8211;and there wouldn&#8217;t  be a need to wing it. If the show&#8217;s a hit, cool. It will make it to the end of season three. If it&#8217;s not, oh well. Guess you&#8217;ll never get to see how it all turns out. My ideal scenario for something like that would be a series based on Stephen King&#8217;s &#8220;The Stand&#8221; (my fave King book). To do it right, stay faithful to the book, and have a definite timeframe where you tell the entire story. (I actually read rumors that &#8220;The Stand&#8221; might be turned into a series, so my hope is high.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://www.spectrecollie.com/archives/2007/03/too-much-confusion/#comment-6242</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I would have preferred a little more "Are they or aren't they" mystery into the next season, but I guess I will just have to transfer that to "Is Starbuck really dead or just in Lee's mind of is she the fifith cyon or is she god?" etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I would have preferred a little more &#8220;Are they or aren&#8217;t they&#8221; mystery into the next season, but I guess I will just have to transfer that to &#8220;Is Starbuck really dead or just in Lee&#8217;s mind of is she the fifith cyon or is she god?&#8221; etc.</p>
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